Why 2 versions of Winbuilder

Is there some advantage to one over the other?
Looked all over for answer to this.
A readme file would be nice.
And which help file for which version?
Thanks

psst, I heard we don't use the "W" word around here, though it wasn't exactly explained why.

If you ask me, the other version was written to troll people. I honestly have no other explanation for it. Apparently it's pretty easy to make a build by typing two or three commands, but I didn't see any options for tweaking except 10-12 so apps that can be downloaded. It doesn't even display what command lists other commands ("list") at startup.

Get the "web UI" up and running, lol. It's the same exact gray command prompt screen except in your browser. 

captchunk, I think you're talking about yet another version. I believe the OP was talking about 80 and 82 in the TheOven builder folders.

I always use the 82 version and it appears to be always working OK.

captchunk, I think you're talking about yet another version. I believe the OP was talking about 80 and 82 in the TheOven builder folders.

Ok. So what's the answer then?

Ehm, I'll have to look up the exact details (not much time right now), but as things are very quite here at the moment, here's my best recollection:
You should use the 8.2 version, the "other one" is for older systems/ projects, there's some older stuff that doesn't work in 8.2.
So stick to 8.2 for now.
I agree a little readme.txt would be nice (...for all these hundreds of new PESE users everyday, right?).

Thanks for the replies.
I'll try not to use the "W" word to often ;-)
To any noobe though, it is a curious combo.

Hi d333,

In fact we use 3 versions 
On your case, On SE projects long story to short:

v80.0.3.0 is stable, which is the main version SE projects design based on,
v82.00.00.15 is faster, but have intentional interface bug, some new syntax bugs and a set of syntax intentional incompatibilities.

on SE projects, we workaround incompatibilities to fit nicely to both, to give end user a faster build opportunity. It took mainly some months and some glitches on following year(s). (I guess this required some hunderds of plugins update and eagle eyes at that times.. )
--> shortly, as oliverjia stated, use v82.00.00.15    If something confuse with a plugin check with v80



ps: About help files and why 2, it is yet another story, they have lots of misguides inside, besides quite helpful for a new plugin writer. One must also check ( compare ) current plugins on servers how syntax used (or which ones not used ), it is quite easy to learn for the one who have some free time 



Strictly, no other version supported for SE projects, never use any other version than the ones included in the package,
 (even the minor version changes cause big troubles ...  )
  we neither have more months nor have will to do such thing  .
   This way Projects and Plugins are Stable, hence evolution continues nicely here, our focus on projects than builder, everybody happy, as predicted around 2010. 

Short story:
Winbuilder has lots of bugs , its development is sick and its developers have insincere goals to free community ....
 After we figure out these facts, we decide to create current forum and continue developing projects we like to work on as our hobby.
  Since than Winbuilder development ended following unpopularity with no free community member create any other project.
   We only continue our hobby which we spend lots of time to share with free community.

There are lots of discussion topics around between project developers and winbuilder developers, which let all figure out the facts in the end,
last one , "It was" topic http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=332 , reply 1 has a summary of events...

We don't have readme, generally people do not read them 
 Instead there is FAQ for a while http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=834.0
  I just added your question 

Dear Lancelot,

    Many thanks for the explanation, things are much clearer now. We newbies are really thankful to veterans like you in here

Please keep up the good work, so that we can benefit and learn..

Best,
oliverjia

the "other one" is for older systems/ projects, there's some older stuff that doesn't work in 8.2.

Hi Atari800xl, a small correction here,
older systems
older projects -> some older projects  more older projects requires 074 and lower (which are mainly pe1x ones ).
Generally these older (080) projects are win7 ones, which Win7PESE supersede.
 Still plugins for them are usable on SE projects (even with 082 builder) since project compatibility with 080 assured, further if something go wrong with such a plugin, an easy compare on such a plugin can be easly made with 080/082 behaviour check.

Exception: Gena (still active  ) also supports 080, but it was too much work to fix for 082 (building a pe1x and Gena project plugin are more complicated than SE , too much time required to check 082 intentional incompatibilities and bugs ) ,
 hence to give end user speed confort, we use 77rc2 (which was already compatible since we were around before....)




Well, due to my education, I am more learning programming, hopefully in time we will get rid of version mess, untill that time, no more confusion about versions, focus are on project evolution assured in years. 

We newbies are really thankful to veterans like you in here

Nobody called me veteran oliverjia , it gave me big smile, thanks 

Real Life is very busy here, as long as there is red alert for Gena or Forum or InterProject things, I will try to respond quickly,
 Other than that, life goes slowly.

Happy builds 

Thanks for the explanations.
I suggested a readme file (to be included in that zip) since that was what I looked for.  Seamed like an obvious dilemma for anyone new to Winbuilder projects.
Also not sure I would have found that answer (where it is now) in my initial search, since that FAQ is kind of tucked away.
Maybe next time you update that zip, a link to that FAQ would help ppl get started.
It is a pretty steep learning curve for those new to Winbuilder, so every bit of guidance is helpful.
Thanks again.

It is a pretty steep learning curve for those new to Winbuilder,

learning winbuilder maybe steep due to bad documentation ,
 on the other hand,
  creating simple plugins is quite easy which slowly opens gates on how scripting language work (for the ones who have such interest),
   Most importantly
    learning building with projects is quite fast,
     main screen gives simple step by step instruction, which is followed by many without troubles so far,
      as a result mostly questions are not about building, but about features etc. etc.

a link to that FAQ would help ppl get started.

Which is already available at main screen of projects,
 At very top
  Welcome to FAQ

Maybe we can change to
 Welcome to FAQ - ReadME

to get more attention for the ones who are looking for a readme 

Thanks for the explanations.
I suggested a readme file (to be included in that zip) since that was what I looked for.

A shortway,
Maybe something like that inside .zip distribution
 ReadME_FAQ.zip (0.31 kB - downloaded 162 times.)


Another way,
 be our guest on preparing a ReadMe.txt/.htm 

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