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Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« on: October 18, 2014, 07:22:34 PM »

januszchmiel

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Dear developers,

Would somebody of You give me The step by step instructions how to force this project to work with general USB audio device and with NVDA screen reader atleast version 2011.3?

I have found out, that it is even possible to run NVDA by booting it from boot media, so ram image or WIM boot is not The condition.

But how to plea Yours project so it would include audiosrv.dll so audiosrv service to The resulted live project? And how to make script so NVDA would be automatically started?
Audio service would had to be also automatically started. I have big problem, used WInbuilder.exe do not allow me to use context menu and to select or unselect The script. And i Am very sad because of it. Because if it is necessary to select script from Winbuilder user interface, i Am helpless to do that.
MULTIPE do not support SATA drivers and even on modern computers with 4 GB of RAm or more it is much more better to run old classic style Explorer.exe like in Windows XP.

Any directions or even prepared project would help not only to me.

I hope, that there is An kind developer, who would help to make me dream to come true.
Thanks in advance.
Janusz Chmiel
« Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 08:21:43 AM by Galapo, Reason: Modify topic title after splitting topic »

Re: Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2014, 07:56:05 PM »

Lancelot

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Hi Janusz Chmiel,

Step 1:
enable
Drivers\1 Audio\"HD Audio" plugin

==> This will get hd audio active if required by your sound card

Step 2:
Enable
Drivers\6 Other\"XPE - pnp multimedia"
or , and
Drivers\6 Other\"Driver Import PE"

==> This will get sound operational on Gena

Step 3:

A)
Write a driver plugin for your sound card
==> it maybe hard to do besides it is the perfect solution, but requires knowledge.

OR ( easier)
add your drivers on appropriate folders and start HWPnP
==> after Gena boots, if driver files are at their place, this will get your sound card operational

OR ( more easier)
Get your Gena systemdrive writable, ( on Create ISO plugin add fbwf files or use WimBoot , this will get your X:\ writable)

After Gena boot, use "Driver Import PE" to add your sound card drivers to your Gena
ps: you may also use dps sound packs with "Driver Import PE"




As you see hard part is getting your sound card operational ,
I am sure "NVDA screen reader" will work easly after that.


When you success in any above way (or maybe other), it is further more easy to automate the process by a startup batch ...
( we already provide "Portable Finder CMD" and "PC Packed" plugins to get a startup batch easly operational)




It is all up to your work on your specific case,
 Gena provides all tools to get what you want,
  Many easly get sound operational mostly using "Driver Import PE" , I am sure NVDA would easly work after sound works.

   We can feedback you but we can not do it for you, it is your sound card your device your specific task,
     if you work on this and share around, we can provide your guide to others in future  :thumbsup:


Further, do not reply this message, never hijack a topic with your agenda, you are violating forum rule 7.3
http://theoven.org/index.php?action=rules
 open a new topic, hopefully after you work on things and maybe with things we can provide feedback or support.

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« Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 08:24:13 AM by Galapo, Reason: Change topic title to reflect change at post #1 »

Re: Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2014, 09:28:58 AM »

januszchmiel

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Dear developers,
I Am very sorry, that I have broken The forum rules, but it is non easy for me to find The link for creating new topic. As a blind user every web page is somethink like a plain text with lists of textual assigned objects on it, so it is not easy to always quickly remember where is specific link on The specific WEB page. Dear Galapo, thank You very much for Yours tolerance and patience. Lancelot thank You too.

Facts about USB audio device.

Project must include The following files To The prepared ready to use project.

drmk.sys 
KS.INF
ks.sys
ksproxy.ax
ksuser.dll
portcls.sys
stream.sys
usbaudio.sys
wdma_usb.inf
wdmaud.drv
WDMAUDIO.INF

Project must also include Microsoft Visual C++ support, because NVDA is calling C++ dlls from Python.

And a specially, audiosrv must be automatically started without crash.

I AM looking forward to working project.
I will try to do my best to help You in this task.

Re: Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2014, 10:59:05 AM »

januszchmiel

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I have spend many hours to do this task myself. I have used LiveXP 155, Multipe77 works perfectly but nobody want to tell me how to force this project to support Harddisks connected by using SATA. And i have also tried to do my best to make it work.
But no success.

Re: Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2014, 02:57:46 PM »

Lancelot

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but nobody want to tell me how to force this project to support Harddisks connected by using SATA.
sure, it is hard for them to say Gena is superior and already supports.  :wink:

Project must include The following files To The prepared ready to use project.

As I had written at Step 2, "XPE - pnp multimedia" already include these files (except wdma_usb.inf but I feel it will not be required  :wink: )

include Microsoft Visual C++ support
Yomi Gena already provide Visual C++ support to Gena,
check http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=176.0



Well, start from the begining  :wink:

To use time efficiently,

I advice you to follow above advices with an emulator first , vmware or virtual box
Gena\Drivers\1 Audio
have Audio plugins for both vmware and virtual box...

after you get sound on emulator and get your nvda working,
( use "Utils\PC Packed" to start creating a nvda plugin)
countinue with real hardware  :wink:

and after real hardware things working manually, continue with automating all at startup.


Above is no big thing for Gena to handle, I think you waste time widely in the past with prehistoric and crippled projects.


Have fun on spending time on your goals  :great:

Don't forget to Share your work after you success.  :thumbsup:

Good luck  :thumbsup:

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Re: Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2014, 04:26:13 PM »

januszchmiel

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Dear sir,

You are so deeply intelligent, Yours programmers knowledges are so outstanding.
I know that it seems for You that it is very sad, but there are no so many users who have so many technical knowledge like YOu are having.

And what bad would happen if You and others would ry to modify existing project to support NVDA and USB audio device out of The box?
You have told me, that it will not be heavy task for Netgena. You know the projects and its internals The best and i believe, that You would have The biggest success.

Try to think about it please. YOu have made so many much more complex scripts, and project would help not only me.

I can send YOu The debug logs and i can inform You about The state of The resulted compiled .iso image, ifit will work or no.
I Am very patient debugger.

Re: Request for USB audio and NVDA screen reader instructions
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2014, 05:38:52 PM »

Lancelot

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Dear januszchmiel,

supporting NVDA and USB audio device out of the box is probably not technically possible,
since I guess USB audio device would require some specific hardware,
and getting audio work as default is not something most demand, also NVDA.
aside getting a general audio driver package would result too big size....
   We do not enable audio plugins as default, they are disabled, optionally available.

We include such plugins like "XPE - pnp multimedia" which developed by others to help people who want to get audio etc. work on PE,
 we only include them in Gena to help people who want them find easly.

Our goal is to get a nice working Gena so one (like you) can use or even work on it with tools we provide easly .


Shortly, Gena is there with all its features, unless there is server or build problem, or problems with existing plugins, (and such problems not reported anymore  :smile: ) rest is all up to end user.
  We (Galapo and Lancelot) support Gena with existing plugins, and feedback users like you, rest is up to end user.


Again, It is relatively very easy task only time consuming, requires time to make tests  tests tests tests which I (and I believe also Galapo) don't have time to do.
You have your goal and your time for your task,
 You can wait someone else to do your goals (I know you try your luck on this for some year(s) !) , or do it yourself, up to you,
   Since your goal is technically available, it is naturally hard take some attention (proof passing year(s)),

    Just follow above steps and advice (read all advices very closely), you will be surprised how easy things improve with the time you spend.

or wait, but do not hijack another topic again,
 If you want you can pop up current topic time to time (say once a month) to ask someone who have free time and willing to do your goals.
  Maybe one day....

Either way Good luck.

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