Win 8.1SE PE/OS Problem

Hi Chris,

just updated Macro Library,

Call,TargetDesktop
Call,TargetAppdata
Call,TargetAUAppdata
Call,TargetAppdataOS
Call,TargetAUAppdataOS

works out of box, OS ones are for registry on plugins where required 

first 2 uses
%TargetProfilesUserDir%
(need to be updated for OS mode)
so there will not be any trouble to expand these in future 
since all rest is hardcoded 





but for Target...OS

Above work out of box,
( I cheat using [BasePath] AppData )
but for further expansion ( to easly use ms way of harcode :)),

I feel this will be enough,
[Settings]
ProfileBase=Users
DefaultUser=Administrator

[Settings]
ProfileBase=Users
DefaultUser=Default

ps: ProfileBase changes on windows default way (waik..).......

so for Target...OS  we can sum up easly with SettingsDrive + ProfileBase + DefaultUser + hardcode






Another thing:

I noticed you miss to update
[BasePath] AppData=Users\Default\AppData\Roaming
( also %TargetProfilesUserDir% as mentioned before )
on OS mode,


and I notice there is no .\Administrator\.... folders during build !
I believe, if folders ready during build, life will be easier to all



Long to write, but simple things,
Whenever you find time,


See You



edit:
reminding other updates
Utils\MyPlugins_Project_Add (old one removed)
Utils\Update_BLexact... (just sync with SE)

Hi Lancelot,
 

just updated Macro Library,

Call,TargetDesktop
Call,TargetAppdata
Call,TargetAUAppdata
Call,TargetAppdataOS
Call,TargetAUAppdataOS

 

About %TargetProfilesUserDir% if I have understood. It seems OK in PE or OS build as it is currently with:
%TargetProfilesUserDir%=%TargetProfilesBaseDir%\Users\Default
in OS mode, the Users\Administrator folder and sub-folders are created at Runtime (logon) starting (copying) from the Default user.
Without other change in prooject, it can not be created at build time otherwise it creates a new user "Administrator.Win81SE" with folder and subfolders starting from the Default user also. The shortcuts,... continues to be created for the Administrator account.

I will continue with your other improvements   
I need a little time for MyPlugins_Project_Add, folder.project, I need to change a few things in Share plugins (old one removed also) at the same time to be synchro.




 

Hi Chris,

I will continue with your other improvements   
I need a little time for MyPlugins_Project_Add, folder.project, I need to change a few things in Share plugins (old one removed also) at the same time to be synchro.

I just noticed that if I run the OS mode I encountered a problem with all my backup programs.  It had to due with copy hard drive to hard drive mode.
It would come up with could not take owner ship.  It doesn't have any problem copying partition to partition or image to partition.  I did notice last
week if I ran in PE mode and open Paragon Disk Director (launch.exe) it didn't have the error message. I do like to build in OS mode as it has the same
feel as Windows 8.1, but does it take ownership of all the drives?  Maybe something easy?  It is a great project.  Thanks for all the help.

Hi Mark,

If you have "Apps\System Tools\Explorer Addons\RunAsSystem" selected. It is enabled by default.
You can try to use the Context Menu option "Run as System" on launch.exe

I mainly use the system backup or partition backup.
I will try the clone disk option on Acronis TI or AOMEI backupper to see.

Without using "Run as System" option.
I tested the Clone disk with Acronis TI2015
and Clone Disk + Disk backup with AOMEI backupper

For both the Clone disk operation successful and restarting from the new disk is OK. success also with the Disk Backup 
Fast enough with ATI  , the copy has been really slow to start with Backupper!
I don't use Paragon Disk Director for now to test it.

For both the Clone disk operation successful and restarting from the new disk is OK. success also with the Disk Backup 
Fast enough with ATI  , the copy has been really slow to start with Backupper!
I don't use Paragon Disk Director for now to test it.

Did you use a USB Portable Hard Drive to an internal Hard Drive?
I tried Paragon launcher.exe with Run as System with not luck still get the error message.
I don't get the error message when I run in PE in Ram.  Is there anything else I can do from my end?

Did you use a USB Portable Hard Drive to an internal Hard Drive?
I don't get the error message when I run in PE in Ram.  Is there anything else I can do from my end?

My previous testing was in VMware with 2 HD
I'l try, maybe tomorow with an external USB3 Hard drive.

The differences between PE and OS are mainly in the registry, the user System/Administrator and there is few difference in files.
Perhaps a comparison of PE/OS with procmon can help !
Have you tried with Acronis Ti or others.

The differences between PE and OS are mainly in the registry, the user System/Administrator and there is few difference in files.
Perhaps a comparison of PE/OS with procmon can help !
Have you tried with Acronis Ti or others.

I tried with Acronis Ti and Paragon Manager.  Both programs gave the same error message.
It was a clone from Portable Hard drive to Internal Hard drive .  Thanks.

I made a backup Disk with ATI from a real computer on my USB3 hard disk with success.
By cons for the restoration, I have no lab computer available to try, I will maybe try later on VMware from the image save above on my usb3 hdd.

By any chance, have you the fairly new FakeDisk plugin in your build. Not sure but it can perhaps help to (re)partition the target disk.

Do others have experienced a similar problem ?
I hope that we will find what's wrong, the imaging softwares are important in PE 

I tried Paragon Manager with Win8.1SE OS in Ram
I did a Disk Backup (disk 0) on my hdd USB3 (WD Mypassport)
I then did a restore disk of the previous image on disk 1. 
It worked without worries here, no idea what's wrong for you 

I tried Paragon Manager with Win8.1SE OS in Ram
I did a Disk Backup (disk 0) on my hdd USB3 (WD Mypassport)
I then did a restore disk of the previous image on disk 1. 

I only found this problem when I did a copy hard through explaunder.exe or directly
by running clonehdd.exe. I copied the USB Hard Drive to the internal Hard Drive.  That
is where the error happened. I also noticed that if you run launcher.exe in Win8.1SE there
is an error while opening the application. When I use it on Win7PE or Win8PE there is no
error.  Also on Win8.1SE in PE in Ram there is no error message. I also was not able to
do a disc to disc copy in Acronis True Image with an error message could not take owner ship.
Hopefully this will help. I know this takes a lot of work as it is not a simple process to copy
hard drives.  Hopefully you will be able to come up with one of these error message.  Thanks
for all the hard work on this project.  

I did not go further for now 
Do you have the fakedisk in Disk Management ?
If not, download Components\FakeDisk plugin, it is on SE server and try with it.

Do you have the fakedisk in Disk Management ?
If not, download Components\FakeDisk plugin,
it is on SE server and try with it.

I just added fakedisk with no luck.

Hi Mark,

maybe this is all about OS mode,
1)
Try to run phdm with "Run as System" ?
2)
similar thing (and Mounstorpe advice) here
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1196

ps: if paragon hd only fails at the last step, it is no big deal 

tip: also be carelfull about using portable apps launcher, it is not perfect on real os, and it is mostly not pe aware,
 well as long as it works it is ok 



See You (in summer)

Hi Mark,

maybe this is all about OS mode,
1)
Try to run phdm with "Run as System" ?
2)
similar thing (and Mounstorpe advice) here
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1196

ps: if paragon hd only fails at the last step, it is no big deal 

tip: also be carelfull about using portable apps launcher, it is not perfect on real os, and it is mostly not pe aware,
 well as long as it works it is ok 

I tried to run phdm and directly launch.exe with "Run as System" and Run as Administrator.  No luck there.
You are definitely right about portables.  A great program is "Beach Bit" in portable, but not to run in PE. I ran
that program before in Linux to clean up the system files.
I am sure if Chris gives it a little time, he will come up with a fix for Paragon Manager.  At least it is a reproducible error
message in Win8.1SE in OS mode. I did test in Win7.PE thru Win8.1SE in PE mode.   

best way to create portable (to none portable apps),
 create your own portable by using a batch 
  Like Atari800xl did on some disk imagers http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1141.0

I didn't use Paragon HDM, but I remember Paragon Partition Manager very portable 
 (plugins for Paragon PM available on Yomi)

Well, Since we all know Paragon make tricks, maybe better not insist on using it (or happly ignore refresh step)

Test same scenario with other partition utilities around, see if they can do last step refresh operation (assigning letters) nicely.

*
yfwang0798 reports http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1196.0 shows there is something need to be done,
 well, in time, such things sometimes are not solved quickly, and sometimes never, sometimes it can be easly workarounded 
  (using latest TeamViewer on PE not yet solved for years, only now can be used on OS mode and only at Win8.1SE)
    Free Time only let focus on top priority 


See You