Topic: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility  (Read 4678 times)

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2020, 08:40:03 PM »

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Hi chittimotu,

Please help me with this, I think i miss something, i checked so many threads from last 3 days without sleep :smile:,

if i am asking stupid question without knowing basics, and answer is already posted in previous threads, please share links,
i am beginner to this process, if someone can help me the process with images will be much apricated!
As you wrote,answer is already posted here
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3094.0

One Problem I see on the picture, on XPEPlugin at Description it writes:
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Plugin Adds KingSoft ...

It should be
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XPEPlugin Adds KingSoft ...

to avoid newbie confusion, not your fault at all.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2020, 08:40:55 PM »

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Hi chittimotu

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For today Azin works with LiveSystemPro Win10PE Win8PE , in future Win7PE, WinXPE

as far as I can tell, Azin doesn't currently support XPEPlugins, but I'm sure Lancelot will give you a definitive answer, as I cant tell with the latest release, not being a user
Just to clear,
WinXPE --> I mean WinXPE included with LiveSystemPro which is a PE1 project like Gena.

I add some more lines to my 2 relevant posts to avoid any confusion.

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I will not work on Azin to support XPEPlugins in any close future,
 I do not even have time to publish 7 Line camsvc service Plugin following noelBlanc finding to fix microphone ...
  As you know and Nikky wrote, it is quite easier to convert XPEPlugins to Plugins.  :wink:

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2020, 08:43:09 PM »

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@Nikky
If you are interested, I will be glad to see Nikky Plugin of WPS Kingsoft Office ...  :thumbsup:

Libre Office Plugin is good enough to me, but some people like WPS, I guess it may be faster ......

Important Tip:
after packing WPS Office to a single 7z file, use the latest PC Packed Plugin to create Plugin with the container. :wink:
......

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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2020, 09:41:33 PM »

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Hi glockmane,

I reply your Azin related question here so other Azin users can benefit.

Hey Lancelot,

I don't have tried with PEBakery anymore since I couldn't manage a build..

Have a semi functional build with Azin & 20H1 which I integrated in a AIO Boot USB Stick, semi functional means:

1) DrvInstPatch fails
2) cannot install WiFi Driver (Intel AX200), something with signing, maybe it would work with DrvInstPatch
3) PowerShell Core files aren't present (only Shortcut), this is only when integrating in AIO Boot Stick,
 if I flash the iso with Rufus there is a drive "Y:" mounted which is not the case with AIO Boot,
  I think it has something todo with AIO Boot only copying the boot.wim
4) After integrating all drivers from my system build finished but wouldn't boot (hangs at loading screen "34%"),
 unchecked some plugins and it worked again, tried to find the plugin(s)
 which causes this problem but now I think it has something todo with the iso size,
 as I couldn't find a specific plugin as the cause (tried many combinations) if I deselect some plugins it works and if I reduce the amount of drivers it works too)
5) PortableApps don't start (error windows with reference to the app ini)

Also I had to copy some files from Win10PESE to Azin project folder to finish build, e.g. "9-Administrator.Script" and "0-Shell Loader.script"..

You see, there is a lot todo but I'm still proud that I have a working build with graphic drivers (even FurMark runs :D) and some apps!


> (hangs at loading screen "34%")
Maybe you add to many thing to boot.wim which makes boot.wim size very big and not enough to your available ram !
Maybe not
Maybe same trouble with Power shell

I will check Power Shell Plugin this weekend.

Tip: Azin\Finals\"PostConfig Azin" Plugin provides compression option (for maximum Compression I guess LZX but requires more time to compress)

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I do not use PortableApps but I will check this app this weekend too.

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I do not use Rufus or AIO Boot
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Tip: Correct Y: Drive will be created when you copy "Programs" folder to the "drive" you try to boot from.

> Also I had to copy some files from Win10PESE to Azin project folder to finish build, e.g. "9-Administrator.Script" and "0-Shell Loader.script"..
All Plugins that works with Azin already available with Azin.

Administrator and Shell Loader Plugins are project-special plugins, you do not need them with Azin.

Azin\Azin Configure Plugin ----> WimBuilder -- "Configure WimBuilder" Button ------>
Check following Patchs :
  WimBuilder - Customize - Configures\Loader
  WimBuilder - Customize - Components\00-Shell
  WimBuilder - Customize - Components\System  (WinPE Cache Size setting here)
  WimBuilder - Customize - x-Account = This is Administrator Patch of WimBuilder


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« Last Edit: May 31, 2020, 10:45:23 AM by Lancelot »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2020, 05:15:27 AM »

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>1) DrvInstPatch fails

WimBuilder2.v2020.05.05 fixed it for 20h1,  20h2.

WimBuilder - Customize - Components - Disable driver signature


As yesterday, Win10 2004 RTM released,  I think JFX will update it later as GWT.exe be updated.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2020, 07:26:36 AM by slore »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2020, 08:36:48 AM »

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>1) DrvInstPatch fails
Lol, I really have not seen that they changed the jump with 20H1.
Will be fixed soon.

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2020, 09:04:27 AM »

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@Nikky
If you are interested, I will be glad to see Nikky Plugin of WPS Kingsoft Office ...  :thumbsup:
Libre Office Plugin is good enough to me, but some people like WPS, I guess it may be faster ......

Important Tip:
after packing WPS Office to a single 7z file, use the latest PC Packed Plugin to create Plugin with the container. :wink:

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I'll see what I can do for you   :grin:

I'm definitely leaving the testing to you.

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2020, 04:26:19 PM »

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@Lancelot

Thanks for your comments, helped me fix some things already!

Fixed the 34% loading-files-error when using AIO Boot with a workaround.. Instead of using grub i use rEFInd, from there I can boot the PE Image without a problem, if I want to boot Linux I can load grub from there.. A little confusing and more key presses involved but it works!

Copying the "Programs" folder to the root of AIO Boot Stick did the trick for PowerShell Core, good advice :)

Also I started from Scratch, extracted Win10PE SE, removed Win10PE SE Project folder and copied Azin Project folder.. BUT when building it still throws an Error not finding "9-Administrator.Script", Finals/Logon as Admin is not checked or is this not related? For the moment I copied the .Script file as it builds with it included.. Can I use the WinBuilder from winbuilder.net or is this not advised?

Somehow my WiFi driver is now installing correct now, dunno why.. Just need to find out how I can enable Networking (no network Icon in Taskbar, so I assume networking is not available..

When I go to Azin Configure\Configure WimBuilder\Projects I only see a "WIN10XPE" Project, shouldn't there be a "Azin" Project?

Regarding PortableApps:



 :confused:

And it would be very nice to know how to manually update WimBuilder to the newest version :)

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2020, 08:45:56 PM »

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Hi glockmane,


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Also I started from Scratch, extracted Win10PE SE, removed Win10PE SE Project folder and copied Azin Project folder..
Not required.

Win10PE SE and Azin work happily in the same folder.

And a Plugin you add to "My Plugin Direct" will work on both.  :great:

(ps: Gena Win7PESE Win8PESE Win8.1SE Win10PESE Azin + Yomi + "My Plıugins" + "My Plugins Direct" all work happily in the same folder)

This way life is easier for end-user.  :thumbsup:
and the quality of Plugins gets better in time.  :thumbsup:

I use same folder for all projects that use Plugins and keep things tidy since >= 10 years.  :great:


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Copying the "Programs" folder to the root of AIO Boot Stick did the trick for PowerShell Core, good advice :)
:cheers:

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I guess "Finals/Logon as Admin is not checked" error comes from Remote Desktop Plugin ?
I will update Remote Desktop Plugin and also Media Player Plugin when I find the hobby time.

Well WimBuilder already have "Remote Desktop " Patch and "Media Player" Patch (WimBuilder - Customize - Components )
 better use them.  :thumbsup:

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I can not test Network now but PENetwork available on all Projects to get network operational ... !

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When I go to Azin Configure\Configure WimBuilder\Projects I only see a "WIN10XPE" Project, shouldn't there be a "Azin" Project?
You give me a big smile :lol:

Well Instead of Azin inside WimBuilder, I prefer and will like to work on WimBuilder and LiveSystemPro making Plugins work out of the box
 and that depends on CD-RW extractor/encoder in some far future ...

Win10XPE Project inside WimBuilder better say "Win10XPE-SloreEdition",
 slore like to keep "Win10XPE" name to give credits to the original author (ChrisR).


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And it would be very nice to know how to manually update WimBuilder to the newest version :)
As I wrote before, Give me time, hopefully, this weekend  :thumbsup:
I write step by step instructions and also update, requires tests to verify things ....



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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2020, 09:26:58 PM »

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Hey Lancelot,

Win10PE SE and Azin work happily in the same folder.

I already assumed that but I want to keep it as clean as possible, makes it more easy for me to understand this whole thing  :wink:

Also I don't want to build an 1809 or older as I'm more that bleeding edge guy..

And a Plugin you add to "My Plugin Direct" will work on both.  :great:

Nice to know  :great:

I guess "Finals/Logon as Admin is not checked" error comes from Remote Desktop Plugin ?
I will update Remote Desktop Plugin and also Media Player Plugin when I find the hobby time.

There is no such error, I'll explain again, what I meant:

I unchecked "Logon as Admin" Plugin..
I still get error that "9-Administrator.Script" is missing so I had to copy it over to get the build done..

Thought you meant this plugin is not needed and the missing file error is related to this, maybe I understand you wrong..

Well WimBuilder already have "Remote Desktop " Patch and "Media Player" Patch (WimBuilder - Customize - Components )
 better use them.  :thumbsup:

Check.

I can not test Network now but PENetwork available on all Projects to get network operational ... !

Enabled network related stuff (including PENetwork) in WimBuilder Config and now Ethernet and WiFi works  :great:

You give me a big smile :lol:
Win10XPE Project inside WimBuilder better say "Win10XPE-SloreEdition",
 slore like to keep "Win10XPE" name to give credits to the original author (ChrisR).

Glad to amuse you  :tongue: You must admit there are so many different things involved it is hard to understand which does what and how they are related.. Maybe a Glossary would be cool for Noobs like me  :embarrassed:

As I wrote before, Give me time, hopefully, this weekend  :thumbsup:
I write step by step instructions and also update, requires tests to verify things ....

Certainly, take your time, just thought it would be something like three clicks..

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2020, 10:29:59 PM »

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Glad to amuse you  :tongue: You must admit there are so many different things involved it is hard to understand which does what and how they are related.. Maybe a Glossary would be cool for Noobs like me  :embarrassed:
yes I admit,
It is quite easy to mix wimbuilder-winbuilder ---- Win10XPE-WinXPE-SherpyaXPE ---- wimbuilder-Win10XPE  ---- winbuilder-Win10XPE  (and I like to remember old but great SherpyaXPE)

Well I guess asked better naming to slore for wimbuilder and maybe for Win10XPE inside wimbuilder (maybe Win10XPES)
 but life is fast and naming things can be hard to figure out at early development when there are too many things to consider,
   and after mature development too much time passes and it is too late.

     Well, I did best I can on all early developments about these namings to avoid confusion, I success at some points and unsuccess at others...  :cool:

I add more info to a previous post which can serve as a short Glossary to newbies like you.
A quick read will make things clear.  :thumbsup:
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3094

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I still get error that "9-Administrator.Script" is missing so I had to copy it over to get the build done..
You have not provide info which plugin shows such error?
 maybe if you pack and provide log file (after big blue) It will be easier to figure out what is going on there.

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Certainly, take your time, just thought it would be something like three clicks..
when I update on server, it will be like 1 click  :wink:
and when I write instructions it will be few minutes tasks.

but keep in mind, all you see around are hobby projects, generally, 1 project admin or 1 developer spend 1 hobby time to get things done.
Not a company or institution that has programmers etc. and a feedback department that has their paid job to do things ....

All done slowly and nicely.  :turtle:




Other TO DO (TODO):
+ Test & add latest WimBuilder
+ Test & add latest LiveSystemPro
+ Feature: WimBuilder build without iso without unmount  (slow pc -> eg. slore Win7 host)
+ Follow Nikky OCCT http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3126.msg37287;topicseen#msg37287
+ See Topic: My Computer folder always appear as a table
 http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3124.msg37233;topicseen#msg37233
+ See Topic: The List File was not found foe extration
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3125.0

+ Follow noelBlanc microphone bluetooth
noelBlanc Reply 221 and later http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1639.msg37268#msg37268
noelBlanc Reply 18 and later http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3103.msg37259#msg37259

+ Follow Nikky & gbrao Partition Guru - DiskGenius
Nikky Reply 23 (gbrao Reply 24) http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=2286.msg37236#msg37236

+ Follow Nikky LinuxReader Plugin
Nikky Reply 85 http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=175.msg37285#msg37285

+ Memo Gamma Gena
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3079.msg37278#msg37278

+ Follow Prz42 TrueImage 2020 Plugin
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1981.msg37254#msg37254

+ Fix MS Windows Media Player
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3119

+ jfm reply 7 finding with WallPaper
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3105.msg37232#msg37232
+ Nikky Imgrun update
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=175.msg37318#msg37318

+ glockmane case http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3052.msg37355#msg37355
check PowerShell PowerApps ......

+ JFX http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=287.msg37349#msg37349
check new GetWaikTools

+ JFX generic patchers update
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3052.msg37359#msg37359
-->
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=2768.msg37397#msg37397

+ Fix Remote Desktop connection Plugin
glockmane posted here http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3052.msg37362#msg37362 but I guess reported before elsewhere

+ Maybe Nikky write a WPS Office Plugin after this post http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3052.msg37350#msg37350
--> KingSoft Nikky   http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3130.0
+ Irfanview Nikky http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=175.msg37526#msg37526
+ Keyboard indicator from Nikzzzz https://usbtor.ru/viewtopic.php?t=1838
+ slore reply6 http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3137.msg37545#msg37545
a plugin to add keyboards at startup with wpeutil.exe SetKeyboardLayout
+  Prz42 EaseUS Plugin
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=566.msg32677#msg32677

+ Check Audio plugin deeply
Agraham No Sound: http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3143.msg37698;topicseen#msg37698
+
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Add "Tweak Language Bar" Plugin to Azin (+ other Keyboard Plugins)
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=3052.msg37595#msg37595
-
Add "DiskGenius (Setup.Zip)" Plugin to Azin



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Hi All,

Azin Updated to Azin_2020-06-ZZ

Major Update
WimBuilder updated to WimBuilder2-Full.v2020-06-06.7z (2nd Edition) - Thanks to slore
LiveSystemPro (LSP) updated to LSP1140.zip - Thanks to CD-RW

New Features:
"Azin Configure" Plugin now have WimBuilder-"Run All From Ram" option

Core Updates:
Basic\Tweaks\"ThemePatch" Plugin - Thanks to JFX
Drivers\"DrvInstPatch" Plugin - Thanks to JFX
Utils\"GetWaikTools" Plugin - Thanks to JFX


New Plugins:
Components\"CMD TaskList.exe" Plugin
Components\Tweaks\"Tweak Language Bar (Input Indicator)" Plugin
Components\Tweaks\"Tweak Language Custom PreLoad" Plugin
Components\Tweaks\"Tweak Language Hotkey" Plugin
Components\Tweaks\"Tweak Turn off Caps Lock" Plugin

Apps\HD Tasks\"DiskGenius (Setup.Zip)" Plugin - Thanks to gbrao, Nikky
Apps\HD Tasks\"EaseUS Partition Master 14" Plugin - Thanks to Prz42
Apps\HD Tasks\"EaseUS Partition Master (Nikky)" Plugin - Thanks to Nikky
Apps\HD Tasks\Imaging\"Acronis TrueImage 2017, 2018, 2019 & 2020" Plugin - Thanks to Prz42
Apps\HD Tasks\Recover\"DiskInternals Linux Reader" Plugin - Thanks to Nikky

Apps\Network\"LAN & WAN IP" Plugin - Thanks to Nikky
Apps\Network\"WakeMeOnLan NirSoft" Plugin
Apps\Security\AntiVirus\"ESET Online Scanner v3" Plugin - Thanks to Nikky
Apps\Security\KeyFinders\"ProduKey NirSoft"  Plugin

Apps\Supplementary\Graphics\"Irfan View"  Plugin - Thanks to Nikky
Apps\Supplementary\Office\"Cudatext" Plugin - Thanks to NIKZZZZ
Apps\Supplementary\Office\"LibreOffice paf" Plugin
Apps\Supplementary\Office\"SynWrite" Plugin - Thanks to NIKZZZZ

Apps\System Tools\"BlueScreenView NirSoft (M)" Plugin

Apps\System Tools\HW Info\"CPU-Z" Plugin - Thanks to Nikky
Apps\System Tools\HW Info\"PCI-Z 2.0" Plugin - Thanks to Nikky

AppY\System Tools\Windows Setup\"WinNTSetup4" Plugin - Thanks to JFX

Drivers\"Audio - Microphone (Camsvc)" Plugin - Thanks to noelBlanc

Updated Plugins:

Components\"MS Windows Media Player" Plugin - Thanks to dl7749 for bug report
Components\"PowerShell Core" Plugin
Components\"Remote Desktop Connection" Plugin - Thanks to glockmane for bug report

Components\Tweaks\"Tweak UserPreferencesMask" Plugin - Heavy update to test easier
Components\Tweaks CMD\"CMD Support" Plugin

Tweaks\"Wallpaper" Plugin updated with new options (to test easier) - Thanks jfm for information and test results

Drivers\"Driver Integration" Plugin - Added info TouchPad from hapx - Thanks to hapx feedback

Apps\File Tasks\"Q-Dir Nenad" Plugin
Apps\File Tasks\"Total Commander" Plugin
Apps\System Tools\"Dism++" Plugin

Utils\"WinContig" Plugin

Utils\"PC Packed" -> "Plugin Creator Packed" Plugin Updated with Plugin FileName option + lots of code improvments
Utils\"PC Innounp" -> "Plugin Creator Innounp" Plugin Updated with Plugin FileName option + lots of code improvments

WriteMedia\"Rufus" Plugin

ALL \Downloads\ Plugins updated

Virtual Test\"qEmu X Emulation" Plugin now supports accelerators eg. It should work faster with Hyper-V enabled Windows (not tested ? )
Virtual Test\"VirtualBox Virtualization" Plugin have more Virtualize options + firmware + Graphicscontroller options
Virtual Test\"VMware Virtualization" Plugin have more Virtualize options

and Many other regular, minor updates on many Plugin ( I do not post each time I update a Plugin  :lol::lol:)

Virtual Test Plugins Additional Info:
For today, checking websites, VirtualBox and VMware do not have a stable solution for Hyper-V enabled PC
 But it seems at ~2021 they may have stable solutions ...
    Also maybe In future Windows Hyper-V Plugin  :wink:
Qemu have Hyper-V accelerator (and enabled on "qEmu X Emulation" Plugin as default),
 which will help testing result .iso
    I hope Hyper-V accelerator helps faster results with qEmu ??  :cool:

« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 04:10:06 AM by Lancelot »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2020, 09:50:15 AM »

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updated "Remote Desktop Connection" Plugin,

Plugin standalone now.  :thumbsup:

See: Small Green Download Button on Plugins - Reply 1: Update Plugins

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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2020, 01:47:30 PM »

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updated

Basic\Tweaks\"ThemePatch" Plugin
Drivers\"DrvInstPatch" Plugin

See: Small Green Download Button on Plugins - Reply 1: Update Plugins

Thanks to JFX
JFX Reply 14 : http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=2768.msg37397#msg37397

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« Last Edit: May 21, 2020, 01:47:47 PM by Lancelot »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2020, 03:37:43 PM »

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In case I can not have time or not around (life goes fast)  :cool:

Instruction:

How to update Azin-WimBuilder Manually:

1) Make a build
 (or click Azin\Azin Configure - WimBuilder configure button once if you extract Azin on a fresh folder - After WimBuilder pop-up close WimBuilder)

2) Inside subfolder .\9WimBS\ delete all files and folders but only do not delete 1 compressed file which is WimBuilder used by Azin (eg. WimBuilder2-Full.v2020-03-03.7z)
ps: This is also a flag file of existing WimBuilder with Azin, do not delete  :wink:

3) Copy latest Wimbuilder ( eg. WimBuilder2-Full.v2020-05-05.7z ) to .\9WimBS\  subfolder + extract all files to here

4)
4a) Open WimBuilder UI -> Azin\Azin Configure - WimBuilder configure button
This step required to create the first configuration file(s) of WimBuilder, with Azin Distribution this is done automatically, here we do manually.
(
Important:
Azin\Azin Configure - WimBuilder -->Configures-Build Patch have "WOW64 Support" which is default False, Enable this option to make your 32bit applications work.
with Azin Distribution this setting enabled once, here we do manually.
)
4b) Close WimBuilder UI

5) Done, Azin should work nicely with the latest WimBuilder now, use Azin - BigBluePlay Button :thumbsup:




How to update Azin-LiveSystemPro Manually:

1) Make a build
 (or click Azin\Azin Configure - LiveSystemPro configure button once if you extract Azin on a fresh folder - After LiveSystemPro pop-up close LiveSystemPro)

2) Inside subfolder .\9LSP\ delete all files and folders but only do not delete 1 compressed file which is LiveSystemPro used by Azin (eg. LSP1127-beta4.zip)
ps: This is also a flag file of existing LiveSystemPro with Azin, do not delete  :wink:

3) Copy latest LiveSystemPro ( eg. LSP1128.zip ) to .\9LSP\  subfolder + extract all files to here

4) Done  Azin should work nicely with the latest LiveSystemPro, use Azin - BigBluePlay Button :thumbsup:




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I believe Easy to follow 4 or 5 steps   :cool:

and you will notice
 a nice folder organization that makes all projects work together or separately without mixing things.  :cool: 
--->
Projects distributed Azin distributed with an untouched copy of the distribution, and Azin does not change Project Default behaviors or settings.  :cheers:
with other words
.\9LSP\
.\9WimBS\
...
can be used to build only with these builders without Azin (which I do time to time to learn deeper about builder and projects)

It is fun for me to work on Azin and other projects all in one place, sometimes separately but also very easy.  :cool:
Reminds my old good days and advertisements of "United Colors of Benetton"  :celebrate: Well on this case I can say "United Colors of Azin"  :cool:


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Notes:
Azin only use "SourceFolder" + "Index Setting" + "Final ISO" + "Parameter" support of WimBuilder & LiveSystemPro

It will be similar in future projects, These are settings that very rarely change during the development of builder/projects.

If the above instruction fails for WimBuilder and LiveSystemPro and I am not around, ask :

for WimBuilder ask WimBuilder developer slore http://TheOven.org/index.php?board=45.0
for LiveSystemPro ask LiveSystemPro developer CD-RW http://TheOven.org/index.php?board=23.0

about changes with "SourceFolder" + "Index Setting" + "Final ISO" + "Parameter" support.


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« Last Edit: May 23, 2020, 12:21:31 AM by Lancelot »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2020, 02:41:18 PM »

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yes I admit,
It is quite easy to mix wimbuilder-winbuilder ---- Win10XPE-WinXPE-SherpyaXPE ---- wimbuilder-Win10XPE  ---- winbuilder-Win10XPE  (and I like to remember old but great SherpyaXPE)

Well I guess asked better naming to slore for wimbuilder and maybe for Win10XPE inside wimbuilder (maybe Win10XPES)
 but life is fast and naming things can be hard to figure out at early development when there are too many things to consider,
   and after mature development too much time passes and it is too late.

     Well, I did best I can on all early developments about these namings to avoid confusion, I success at some points and unsuccess at others...  :cool:

Well, for WimBuilder, it is easy to change the project name, just rename the project folder. Everything will be fine.
Yes, I don't want to take much time on naming, if people got confusion, maybe you can call it Re:Win10XPE --- Remake & Revolution.
(What is named in the first place)
« Last Edit: May 22, 2020, 02:43:29 PM by slore »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2020, 02:53:55 PM »

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Like you, I also do not like to spend time on naming (I also do not like to spend time with tutorials, help documents ....)
 But something I spend minimal time to avoid future troubles I know ...
   ( A friend found the name "Azin" .... and Galapo had found "Gena" name in the past ... )

With naming
* Main goal is to avoid nobody mix
* Secondary goal (to me) easy to find with an internet search. (I frequently make searches blabla site:theoven.org to find things time to time )

Sherpya's way seems to me better (& easier - I prefer being lazy on naming case when I hit goals ) on this case,

SloreXPE
or
Slore10XPE

You already wrote all visible places project start with Win10XPE and continue with Remake & Revolution...
You can give a distinctive name  :thumbsup:


Anyway, It is all your decision, as you see I only follow.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2020, 03:00:45 PM »

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How to update Azin-WimBuilder Manually:

2) Inside subfolder .\9WimBS\ delete all files and folders but only do not delete 1 compressed file which is WimBuilder used by Azin (eg. WimBuilder2-Full.v2020-03-03.7z)
ps: This is also a flag file of existing WimBuilder with Azin, do not delete  :wink:

4)
4a) Open WimBuilder UI -> Azin\Azin Configure - WimBuilder configure button
This step required to create the first configuration file(s) of WimBuilder, with Azin Distribution this is done automatically, here we do manually.
(
Important:
Azin\Azin Configure - WimBuilder -->Configures-Build Patch have "WOW64 Support" which is default False, Enable this option to make your 32bit applications work.
with Azin Distribution this setting enabled once, here we do manually.

5) Done, Azin should work nicely with the latest WimBuilder now, use Azin - BigBluePlay Button :thumbsup:

Well, you forget to backup the customize selection options.
\9WimBS\Projects\WIN10XPE\_Assets_\preset\current.js or others you created.
better offer your auto_config.js, and your modified current.js("build.wow64support":true) in Azin's other folder.

Preset is one different design than WinBuilder.(I don't try PEB or LiveSystemPro, maybe they have same feature.)
It makes the "Plugins"(Patches) be standalone(readonly), can be updated without losing customized options.

For WimBuilder, I'm considering to make an easy update way. (People only need download X00 kB for updating the modified scripts, How to deal with renaming/deleted files  :confused:)

I will make a 7z diff update package, people can download this then the full release pakege.


UPDATE_v2020.04.04.abe8cdf3-v2020.05.05.bc23143f.7z.update
UPDATE_v2020.05.05.bc23143f-v2020.06.06.00000000.7z.update

also be easy to make option for update online (WimBuilder2 --update master) ...

So It can be updated and keep the customize settings.

Maybe only give UPDATE_master.7z.update if no updates in vendor\*.

Well just idea in my mind, maybe it is bad idea.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2020, 03:08:48 PM by slore »

Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2020, 03:13:41 PM »

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better offer your auto_config.js, and your modified current.js("build.wow64support":true) in Azin's other folder.

Probably my bad english:

with Azin Distribution this setting enabled once, here we do manually.
Azin do not have custom auto_config.js

I follow developer (you) default settings, I only enabled wow64 and only at first build (at first extraction) and only once.

If the user disables Wow64  etc. Azin do not change these settings.

If you change other default WimBuilder distribution setting (current) (eg. Full Catalog, Internet Explorer ...) , Azin do not change them (only Wow64)

with other words:
I do not have my auto_config.js at all.

*
In the past when WOW64 Plugin disabled lots of posts reporting "bug" saying blabla app not working even with warning on log "this plugin requires wow64"
That is the reason I enable WOW64 patch.
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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2020, 03:25:15 PM »

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I believe there is ServicePack Logic on your UPDATE idea.

I do not believe this is required for WimBuilder.

Believe me, people wait for the new release, even with ~4GB Win10  :wink:
 I do not think most people use Utils\Update Project\"Update" button  :wink:
  Only regular users around, and when there is a bug report in which the "download" button on plugins is not enough.

I am sure you can find better things to work on with your free time.  :thumbsup:

Memo:
Keep in mind putting Personal plugins out of project folders make things easy to most (My Plugins Direct)
 Something you can do with WimBuilder with a tidy folder organization,
  eg. .\9WimBS\MyPatches\.......
 If this happens I will update Manual Instruction and Azin codes  :wink:

And as written previously, this way updating WimBuilder is easier too, like I did with Utils\Update Project\"Update" button (or better say with cmd files I provided before)
  eg.
   WimBuilder Update button --> 1) only download latest distribution (.zip) 2) delete all folders file but not .\9WimBS\MyPatches\ , 3) extract ....


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Re: Azin - Plugin Liberty and Flexibility
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2020, 03:53:22 PM »

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Hi slore,

I see edits on your post, maybe my reply is wrong or I miss something again :

Well, you forget to backup the customize selection options.
\9WimBS\Projects\WIN10XPE\_Assets_\preset\current.js or others you created.
better offer your auto_config.js, and your modified current.js("build.wow64support":true) in Azin's other folder.

Preset is one different design than WinBuilder.(I don't try PEB or LiveSystemPro, maybe they have same feature.)
It makes the "Plugins"(Patches) be standalone(readonly), can be updated without losing customized options.
I do not add a preset with Azin (eg. Azin Preset) or I do not overwrite any preset distributed with WimBuilder
Because
I prefer to follow Project distribution settings made by you.  :thumbsup:

for this only at first extraction, I copy default.js to current.js
and change build.wow64support value to true.

That is all.

If there is a misunderstanding or confusion let me know?

*
(I don't try PEB or LiveSystemPro, maybe they have same feature.)
I also do not try PEB,
but as far as I know LSP and wb (and PEB follows wb) do not have a central Preset feature like yours.

Setting are saved inside Plugins :
with batch logic -->
 batch reads next cmd file (patch) - At very first check if selected true or false ([Main] Selected=) - IF false do not process - IF true process

Advantage: Plugins are standalone with settings contained by them
Disadvantage (trouble) : eg. you have 200 patches but only you enable 20 Patch to build, during build rest 190 must be read if selected true or false

Disadvantage (trouble) workarounds:
1) LSP and wb reads all Plugins at first load, so when build button pressed rest 190 not read --> Disadvantage : loading time of builder (I am sure LSP is much much faster if not (probably not) using windows api with iniread)
2) PEB added database feature (at the times I highly complain about the loading time of builder writing real reasons behind) to work around this issue (last tested years ago)


ps:
Galapo created PluginManager to save and restore settings of plugins which as a result creates a preset file like yours,
 like : WimBuilder builds following Preset, PluginManager First restores settings and without available syntax restart builder (loading time trouble)



I hope this short explanation clears things.

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Edit:
slore like to continue on other topic, so the conversation continues with
slore 339 http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=2390.msg37508#msg37508 to Lancelot Reply 349  :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: May 23, 2020, 12:11:51 AM by Lancelot »

 

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